1 00:00:05,900 --> 00:00:03,619 so good morning everybody I'm going to 2 00:00:09,919 --> 00:00:05,910 report today on some ongoing research at 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:09,929 the Westfall neuroimaging lab and the 4 00:00:15,799 --> 00:00:13,170 division of perceptual studies also 5 00:00:19,370 --> 00:00:15,809 known as dots at the University of 6 00:00:24,500 --> 00:00:19,380 Virginia just a little background 7 00:00:31,339 --> 00:00:24,510 Dobbs's was founded in 1967 by the late 8 00:00:32,389 --> 00:00:31,349 dr. Ian Stevenson and was originally 9 00:00:37,549 --> 00:00:32,399 known as the division of 10 00:00:42,619 --> 00:00:37,559 parapsychological studies so Ian 11 00:00:45,740 --> 00:00:42,629 Stevenson is mostly known for his work 12 00:00:47,990 --> 00:00:45,750 in reincarnation that work is still 13 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:48,000 ongoing to the state it's being carried 14 00:00:55,549 --> 00:00:52,170 forward a little bit of shameless plug 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:55,559 for some of the the publications that 16 00:00:59,990 --> 00:00:57,530 have been coming out of DAPs lately 17 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:00,000 science the self and survival after 18 00:01:08,539 --> 00:01:05,970 death is a summary of some of IANS 19 00:01:12,530 --> 00:01:08,549 Stevenson's writings including but not 20 00:01:15,649 --> 00:01:12,540 limited to his reincarnation work Jim 21 00:01:17,420 --> 00:01:15,659 Tucker is now the head of Dobbs has got 22 00:01:18,980 --> 00:01:17,430 a couple of books out one life before 23 00:01:22,490 --> 00:01:18,990 life is a review of all the dots 24 00:01:26,630 --> 00:01:22,500 research done on children who have past 25 00:01:28,940 --> 00:01:26,640 life memories Jim's most recent book 26 00:01:31,130 --> 00:01:28,950 returned to life has got a number of 27 00:01:33,289 --> 00:01:31,140 interesting American cases of children 28 00:01:37,190 --> 00:01:33,299 with past life memories it's really 29 00:01:39,020 --> 00:01:37,200 quite an interesting read Bruce Grayson 30 00:01:42,170 --> 00:01:39,030 who was the head of the division for 31 00:01:45,310 --> 00:01:42,180 many years has edited the handbook of 32 00:01:50,030 --> 00:01:45,320 near-death experiences and E's is 33 00:01:52,460 --> 00:01:50,040 Bruce's area of research irreducible 34 00:01:56,359 --> 00:01:52,470 mind is an all-out attack on classical 35 00:01:56,959 --> 00:01:56,369 physicalism and is a classic book in and 36 00:02:00,249 --> 00:01:56,969 of itself 37 00:02:03,770 --> 00:02:00,259 edited by egg Kelly and Emily Kelly and 38 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:03,780 company and the follow-up to that is 39 00:02:09,109 --> 00:02:05,969 beyond physicalism it's a theory 40 00:02:11,940 --> 00:02:09,119 oriented book looking at what the 41 00:02:15,270 --> 00:02:11,950 constructs of humans might be when 42 00:02:19,830 --> 00:02:15,280 mystical experiences and sigh phenomena 43 00:02:21,479 --> 00:02:19,840 are taken into account so right across 44 00:02:24,059 --> 00:02:21,489 the hall from dops 45 00:02:25,170 --> 00:02:24,069 under the auspices of Cedar Creek 46 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:25,180 Institute DAPs 47 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:28,450 it's a sister organization is the 48 00:02:36,509 --> 00:02:31,450 Westfall neuroimaging lab where I'm 49 00:02:38,370 --> 00:02:36,519 working the the lab is dedicated to the 50 00:02:40,979 --> 00:02:38,380 psychophysiological study of altered 51 00:02:43,170 --> 00:02:40,989 states of consciousness in sy that's 52 00:02:47,759 --> 00:02:43,180 relatively new lab we just got underway 53 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:47,769 really about 2010 one of our goals is to 54 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:49,890 identify physiological conditions 55 00:02:58,500 --> 00:02:55,810 conducive to success inside tasks the 56 00:03:01,640 --> 00:02:58,510 facility boasts a electromagnetically 57 00:03:06,690 --> 00:03:01,650 shielded room pretty spacious one that 58 00:03:09,809 --> 00:03:06,700 meets the CI a tempest specification for 59 00:03:12,259 --> 00:03:09,819 100 DB of shielding and a bandwidth of 60 00:03:15,330 --> 00:03:12,269 20 kilohertz to 10 gigahertz 61 00:03:18,030 --> 00:03:15,340 we have a hundred 28 channel EEG that's 62 00:03:24,620 --> 00:03:18,040 also capable of recording auxilary 63 00:03:28,289 --> 00:03:24,630 channels such as the OG GSR EKG jeah 64 00:03:30,569 --> 00:03:28,299 skin potential etc there's a remote 65 00:03:32,809 --> 00:03:30,579 agent room in a separate floor of the 66 00:03:36,330 --> 00:03:32,819 building with audio-visual capability 67 00:03:42,330 --> 00:03:36,340 which we are using for telepathy and OBE 68 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:42,340 type studies and we have a now installed 69 00:03:49,229 --> 00:03:45,730 and functioning software base for 70 00:03:52,949 --> 00:03:49,239 automated verticals and site testing we 71 00:03:55,559 --> 00:03:52,959 also have a set of multiple sensors for 72 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:55,569 PK testing which I'm going to describe a 73 00:04:00,000 --> 00:03:57,370 little bit more in a minute but first I 74 00:04:03,289 --> 00:04:00,010 would like to put out a plea that if you 75 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:03,299 know of advanced meditators obe 76 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:07,090 practitioners advanced healers trance 77 00:04:13,949 --> 00:04:12,130 mediums PK and ESP experts who are 78 00:04:18,039 --> 00:04:13,959 interested in engaging in scientific 79 00:04:21,039 --> 00:04:18,049 research please direct them our way 80 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:21,049 you can find us by doing a search of 81 00:04:29,170 --> 00:04:27,530 tops UVA or CCI UVA on the web and you 82 00:04:33,029 --> 00:04:29,180 get to those websites there's directions 83 00:04:37,050 --> 00:04:33,039 on how to contact our staff from there 84 00:04:40,649 --> 00:04:37,060 so I mentioned we have a an array of 85 00:04:43,779 --> 00:04:40,659 various sensors these are 24 channels 86 00:04:47,529 --> 00:04:43,789 that are simultaneously sampled with the 87 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:47,539 physiological data there are several 88 00:04:53,170 --> 00:04:49,970 different types of sensors these are 89 00:04:58,870 --> 00:04:53,180 oriented towards RPK studies for example 90 00:05:02,439 --> 00:04:58,880 for example a bank of resistors three 91 00:05:06,730 --> 00:05:02,449 axis magnetometer four channels of his 92 00:05:09,990 --> 00:05:06,740 electric force detector the electric 93 00:05:12,790 --> 00:05:10,000 field monitor the Geiger counter 94 00:05:15,580 --> 00:05:12,800 temperature sensors were also monitoring 95 00:05:19,510 --> 00:05:15,590 temperature and humidity in the shielded 96 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:19,520 room and then we have a class of an odd 97 00:05:25,830 --> 00:05:23,210 class of sensors that I guess could best 98 00:05:32,620 --> 00:05:25,840 be described as slow rate and then 99 00:05:36,969 --> 00:05:32,630 generators just as an aside at this 100 00:05:40,510 --> 00:05:36,979 point I have to tell you what the bias 101 00:05:45,010 --> 00:05:40,520 of the experimenter / engineer ie me is 102 00:05:47,260 --> 00:05:45,020 in these types of experiments I noticed 103 00:05:50,610 --> 00:05:47,270 with interest yesterday bill Bengston 104 00:05:54,339 --> 00:05:50,620 talking about the healing it's not PK 105 00:05:57,459 --> 00:05:54,349 it's just something that that's 106 00:05:59,740 --> 00:05:57,469 happening we probably have a slightly 107 00:06:02,019 --> 00:05:59,750 different approach in this and that's 108 00:06:05,469 --> 00:06:02,029 partly based on my own personal 109 00:06:08,499 --> 00:06:05,479 experience I attended a PK party many 110 00:06:12,370 --> 00:06:08,509 years ago that Jack how an engineer from 111 00:06:14,769 --> 00:06:12,380 McDonnell Douglas was giving and in that 112 00:06:19,089 --> 00:06:14,779 party I witnessed firsthand some pretty 113 00:06:21,129 --> 00:06:19,099 amazing metal bending in fact I got to 114 00:06:23,709 --> 00:06:21,139 experience it myself I was standing 115 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:23,719 there with a spoon and two people on the 116 00:06:27,550 --> 00:06:24,650 other side of me 117 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:27,560 chanting Bend Bend Bend and I felt that 118 00:06:34,300 --> 00:06:30,510 spoon momentarily turning to 119 00:06:37,850 --> 00:06:34,310 Kathy and I got to complete 360 degree 120 00:06:42,050 --> 00:06:37,860 twists spiral twists in the thing before 121 00:06:44,420 --> 00:06:42,060 it got stiff again I afterwards I took a 122 00:06:47,060 --> 00:06:44,430 spoon that was exactly the same type and 123 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:47,070 tried doing that by force alone and the 124 00:06:53,870 --> 00:06:50,370 thing snapped before it ever reached 90 125 00:06:56,150 --> 00:06:53,880 degrees yeah I also witnessed that day 126 00:06:58,730 --> 00:06:56,160 aside from lots of other people bending 127 00:07:02,480 --> 00:06:58,740 I saw a little old lady take a 3/8 inch 128 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:02,490 steel rod and get a 45 degree bend in 129 00:07:07,730 --> 00:07:06,090 that thing and I know for a fact trying 130 00:07:09,860 --> 00:07:07,740 it personally and so for other people 131 00:07:13,900 --> 00:07:09,870 you cannot bend that steel rod by 132 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:13,910 physical force alone so here we have 133 00:07:19,670 --> 00:07:16,530 smoking gun evidence that through 134 00:07:23,510 --> 00:07:19,680 intention people are able to affect the 135 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:23,520 molecular structure of metal and that's 136 00:07:31,460 --> 00:07:27,570 kind of directed my efforts in making PK 137 00:07:35,260 --> 00:07:31,470 sensors and PK research so I tried to 138 00:07:40,940 --> 00:07:35,270 build electronic devices that would 139 00:07:44,180 --> 00:07:40,950 maybe somehow pick up or respond to what 140 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:44,190 a metal band was doing and turn that 141 00:07:48,590 --> 00:07:46,170 into electrical signal that then we can 142 00:07:52,310 --> 00:07:48,600 then monitor simultaneously with our 143 00:07:57,260 --> 00:07:52,320 physiological monitoring I was working 144 00:08:00,710 --> 00:07:57,270 on something like that when I discovered 145 00:08:04,510 --> 00:08:00,720 quite by accident that the device the 146 00:08:10,030 --> 00:08:04,520 electronic circuit was generating these 147 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:13,670 one of these sharp edges an edge like 148 00:08:18,730 --> 00:08:16,410 that we would define as an event these 149 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:18,740 things are appearing at random intervals 150 00:08:25,910 --> 00:08:23,970 they also have different amplitudes I 151 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:25,920 didn't really want them in there I 152 00:08:31,430 --> 00:08:28,170 thought that was a problem with this 153 00:08:34,870 --> 00:08:31,440 circuit but I accidentally noticed in 154 00:08:37,909 --> 00:08:34,880 doing some of our experiments that these 155 00:08:40,490 --> 00:08:37,919 events seem to be appearing 156 00:08:42,469 --> 00:08:40,500 groups are more often when people were 157 00:08:46,129 --> 00:08:42,479 directing their attention towards the 158 00:08:48,740 --> 00:08:46,139 device so that caught my attention and I 159 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:48,750 started going around doing a little bit 160 00:08:54,949 --> 00:08:51,450 of observational research with this 161 00:08:58,579 --> 00:08:54,959 thing working with groups with healers 162 00:09:02,780 --> 00:08:58,589 and whatnot and noticing that more of 163 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:02,790 these events were appearing for example 164 00:09:07,879 --> 00:09:05,610 with healers when the healer was working 165 00:09:11,900 --> 00:09:07,889 on a person and they would have a some 166 00:09:13,340 --> 00:09:11,910 sort of breakthrough it seemed like more 167 00:09:15,170 --> 00:09:13,350 of these events were appearing of course 168 00:09:20,930 --> 00:09:15,180 that was just observational practically 169 00:09:24,079 --> 00:09:20,940 anecdotal and the event rates on these 170 00:09:25,550 --> 00:09:24,089 things was extremely slow I will get 171 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:25,560 back to that and then it just a little 172 00:09:29,930 --> 00:09:28,529 bit of detail on these events though as 173 00:09:31,910 --> 00:09:29,940 I mentioned they're slow it takes about 174 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:31,920 a quarter of a second for an average 175 00:09:37,460 --> 00:09:34,490 event to get the full rise time and 176 00:09:40,819 --> 00:09:37,470 based on what we know about what's going 177 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:40,829 on in the circuit these events are 178 00:09:48,350 --> 00:09:43,529 appearing in conjunction with about 179 00:09:50,780 --> 00:09:48,360 25,000 electrons sloshing around so if 180 00:09:52,759 --> 00:09:50,790 indeed these things are responding 181 00:09:55,819 --> 00:09:52,769 somehow to attention it's an attention 182 00:09:59,300 --> 00:09:55,829 that's moving well an average about 183 00:10:02,180 --> 00:09:59,310 25,000 electrons the amplifier noise 184 00:10:03,380 --> 00:10:02,190 floor is 100 elec the equivalent of 100 185 00:10:07,660 --> 00:10:03,390 electrons so we have a pretty good 186 00:10:10,790 --> 00:10:07,670 signal to noise ratio with this device a 187 00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:10,800 little bit more about it we did some 188 00:10:14,710 --> 00:10:12,510 work on the distribution of event 189 00:10:18,170 --> 00:10:14,720 intervals found that it was 190 00:10:20,780 --> 00:10:18,180 exponentially distributed with the scale 191 00:10:23,750 --> 00:10:20,790 factor being equal to the inverse of the 192 00:10:27,259 --> 00:10:23,760 measured being rate of events indicating 193 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:27,269 it's a Poisson process I can't go into 194 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:29,250 too much more detail about it because at 195 00:10:34,189 --> 00:10:30,930 this point we decided to make that 196 00:10:36,199 --> 00:10:34,199 little circuit proprietary in order to 197 00:10:36,790 --> 00:10:36,209 possibly maybe get more funding out of 198 00:10:45,940 --> 00:10:36,800 it some 199 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:45,950 down the road but nonetheless oh and if 200 00:10:50,259 --> 00:10:47,810 you'll notice then there's your bean 201 00:10:52,090 --> 00:10:50,269 rate point zero one two events per 202 00:10:55,509 --> 00:10:52,100 seconds extremely slow 203 00:10:58,600 --> 00:10:55,519 so in order to make this device a little 204 00:11:01,329 --> 00:10:58,610 bit more amenable to research that 205 00:11:04,210 --> 00:11:01,339 decided to start adding channels and 206 00:11:09,269 --> 00:11:04,220 making multiple channel devices to get 207 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:11,790 what happened was we ended up with 208 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:15,529 device it looks like this inside each of 209 00:11:23,319 --> 00:11:19,930 those little boxes are multiple channels 210 00:11:28,780 --> 00:11:23,329 with those event sensors in them or 211 00:11:30,699 --> 00:11:28,790 event generators in effect we have a 212 00:11:34,590 --> 00:11:30,709 peak a target that's kind of spread out 213 00:11:37,660 --> 00:11:34,600 over space the whole the whole thing is 214 00:11:40,630 --> 00:11:37,670 electrically shielded extremely well 215 00:11:43,870 --> 00:11:40,640 shielded and then the little box is 216 00:11:48,370 --> 00:11:43,880 remounted inside a second RF shielded 217 00:11:50,350 --> 00:11:48,380 box with special RF shielding on the 218 00:11:52,690 --> 00:11:50,360 cables that run into the box that's the 219 00:11:54,850 --> 00:11:52,700 voice we use to use an MRI scanner so I 220 00:11:58,930 --> 00:11:54,860 know it's running about 130 DB of 221 00:12:01,660 --> 00:11:58,940 electrical shielding the device is 222 00:12:03,490 --> 00:12:01,670 battery operated as is all the 223 00:12:06,460 --> 00:12:03,500 physiological monitoring everything is 224 00:12:09,639 --> 00:12:06,470 isolated from power and Earth ground and 225 00:12:13,090 --> 00:12:09,649 we ran a rather large long series of 226 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:13,100 tests on this device looking for what 227 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:15,770 kinds of environmental influences might 228 00:12:24,490 --> 00:12:19,970 be affecting it we tested for electric 229 00:12:26,350 --> 00:12:24,500 and magnetic fields we looked especially 230 00:12:28,930 --> 00:12:26,360 a background radiation and cosmic 231 00:12:31,689 --> 00:12:28,940 radiation because in a way this thing 232 00:12:34,180 --> 00:12:31,699 looks like a poor man's ionization 233 00:12:38,439 --> 00:12:34,190 chamber but we could find no correlation 234 00:12:41,910 --> 00:12:38,449 with a Geiger counter set up right next 235 00:12:44,650 --> 00:12:41,920 to it still doing more work on that but 236 00:12:48,069 --> 00:12:44,660 so far the only correlation to an 237 00:12:54,610 --> 00:12:48,079 environmental variable that I have found 238 00:12:58,119 --> 00:12:54,620 with this thing is humidity so I took 239 00:13:00,519 --> 00:12:58,129 this box out in the field as I mentioned 240 00:13:03,309 --> 00:13:00,529 earlier and worked with groups I took it 241 00:13:06,999 --> 00:13:03,319 to the Monroe Institute and worked with 242 00:13:08,939 --> 00:13:07,009 PK groups there again worked with 243 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:08,949 healers I went to norm Hansen's 244 00:13:16,780 --> 00:13:11,810 did some work with him and the torsion 245 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:16,790 pendulum and I got data that was again 246 00:13:23,019 --> 00:13:20,930 kind of observational suggestive we had 247 00:13:25,150 --> 00:13:23,029 some statistics we got statistical 248 00:13:27,100 --> 00:13:25,160 significance it was a little loose in 249 00:13:29,650 --> 00:13:27,110 terms of timing and things like that but 250 00:13:32,350 --> 00:13:29,660 but we were coming up with p-values that 251 00:13:36,850 --> 00:13:32,360 were well below point zero five for 252 00:13:38,410 --> 00:13:36,860 comparing bass lines against periods of 253 00:13:43,689 --> 00:13:38,420 time where when people were trying to 254 00:13:46,299 --> 00:13:43,699 affect this device originally in the 255 00:13:50,230 --> 00:13:46,309 early days we were manually scoring 256 00:13:55,350 --> 00:13:50,240 events we had a lab tech who was doing 257 00:14:00,910 --> 00:13:55,360 that she went found another job so we 258 00:14:02,829 --> 00:14:00,920 switched over to automated scoring so 259 00:14:06,759 --> 00:14:02,839 here's a record of two channels of the 260 00:14:10,569 --> 00:14:06,769 device with some automated scoring marks 261 00:14:12,519 --> 00:14:10,579 in it and what we are doing is pulling 262 00:14:15,579 --> 00:14:12,529 out not only timing but amplitude 263 00:14:17,369 --> 00:14:15,589 information so that the score that we're 264 00:14:25,929 --> 00:14:17,379 using right now is the so-called 265 00:14:27,939 --> 00:14:25,939 weighted event count we're getting the 266 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:27,949 events by sliding an average slope 267 00:14:35,139 --> 00:14:30,889 filter across the data when it hits one 268 00:14:37,869 --> 00:14:35,149 of those events pops up like this but it 269 00:14:42,309 --> 00:14:37,879 remains well-behaved on the decay down 270 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:42,319 the other side so with that all in mind 271 00:14:48,390 --> 00:14:46,490 we decided to put this thing to the 272 00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:48,400 tests in the lab 273 00:14:58,850 --> 00:14:53,440 and see what it would do running a very 274 00:15:02,520 --> 00:14:58,860 controlled tightly controlled PK task 275 00:15:08,850 --> 00:15:02,530 with a participants who were wired to 276 00:15:11,940 --> 00:15:08,860 EEG at the same time one other item of 277 00:15:14,220 --> 00:15:11,950 interest on this thing we found that the 278 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:14,230 multi channel stack device like I was 279 00:15:22,310 --> 00:15:20,050 showing you would be independent which 280 00:15:26,460 --> 00:15:22,320 have independent observations if we used 281 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:26,470 a segment of the record of eight seconds 282 00:15:30,450 --> 00:15:28,210 anything less than eight seconds and we 283 00:15:32,670 --> 00:15:30,460 start getting some dependence on the 284 00:15:35,310 --> 00:15:32,680 records so as you can see an auto 285 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:35,320 correlation plots showing that at eight 286 00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:36,850 second intervals these things are 287 00:15:41,370 --> 00:15:38,560 independent and that works out pretty 288 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:41,380 well physiological monitoring we can use 289 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:44,050 eight second windows for our spectral 290 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:49,090 analysis of the EEG so we set the device 291 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:51,850 up in the lab put it in the corner as 292 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:54,010 you can see there this is the view that 293 00:16:00,180 --> 00:15:57,610 a participant our experiment would see 294 00:16:01,950 --> 00:16:00,190 and we ran a pilot study it's this pilot 295 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:01,960 study that I'm going to record on here 296 00:16:08,460 --> 00:16:05,290 today the pilot study was set up with 297 00:16:10,980 --> 00:16:08,470 the block type design which means that 298 00:16:16,110 --> 00:16:10,990 it was run as a series of rests and 299 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:16,120 piqué trials set up in an ABB a type 300 00:16:21,660 --> 00:16:18,730 sequence very similar to D Mills like 301 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:21,670 the experiment and we have to run these 302 00:16:26,340 --> 00:16:24,370 comparing base lines against task 303 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:26,350 conditions because there's really no set 304 00:16:32,010 --> 00:16:28,570 statistics on this device like you would 305 00:16:34,410 --> 00:16:32,020 see with a midstream RNG where you're 306 00:16:41,580 --> 00:16:34,420 getting an expected value of say of 100 307 00:16:44,340 --> 00:16:41,590 for two hundred bits sample the the 308 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:44,350 trials are audio paste so our 309 00:16:51,050 --> 00:16:47,110 participant will be sitting there wired 310 00:16:53,390 --> 00:16:51,060 up teg and they'll hear audio commands 311 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:53,400 generated by a computer telling 312 00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:56,850 to either rest or engage in pique they 313 00:17:04,940 --> 00:16:58,800 get feedback at the end of each trial 314 00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:04,950 and that's a short burst tone of a tone 315 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:08,880 and excuse me indicating whether or not 316 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:12,930 they got more events and the trial than 317 00:17:18,620 --> 00:17:16,530 in the previous trial we started out 318 00:17:21,410 --> 00:17:18,630 initially with three-minute trial 319 00:17:22,850 --> 00:17:21,420 lengths thinking okay that's kind of 320 00:17:24,620 --> 00:17:22,860 like what we're doing out in the field 321 00:17:28,820 --> 00:17:24,630 it takes people a little while to get 322 00:17:30,380 --> 00:17:28,830 them their mojo up and running and found 323 00:17:33,590 --> 00:17:30,390 out after a while that three-minute 324 00:17:35,030 --> 00:17:33,600 trial lengths are absolutely torture for 325 00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:35,040 an individual who's sitting there 326 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:38,310 running multiple trials so we gradually 327 00:17:48,260 --> 00:17:40,410 shorten them and we ended up settling on 328 00:17:49,690 --> 00:17:48,270 48 second trial lengths okay what 329 00:17:55,340 --> 00:17:49,700 happened 330 00:17:58,730 --> 00:17:55,350 we ran 68 runs with humans we had seven 331 00:18:02,860 --> 00:17:58,740 significant outcomes the significant 332 00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:02,870 outcome is defined as having a p-value 333 00:18:08,540 --> 00:18:05,280 less than point zero five in a 334 00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:08,550 two-tailed bootstrap resampled t-test 335 00:18:17,060 --> 00:18:14,160 comparing news event waited excuse me 336 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:17,070 amplitude waited event counts in PK 337 00:18:23,030 --> 00:18:20,970 versus rest conditions now based on the 338 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:23,040 binomial distribution assuming chance 339 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:24,810 success the probability of getting that 340 00:18:34,910 --> 00:18:30,290 is 0.03 however several of our hits were 341 00:18:38,110 --> 00:18:34,920 much less than point zero five p-value 342 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:38,120 so that's a conservative estimate of the 343 00:18:47,810 --> 00:18:42,810 significance of this trial we found out 344 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:47,820 a few other things from the from this 345 00:18:52,700 --> 00:18:51,330 pilot study one is that the trial length 346 00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:52,710 actually didn't seem to make much 347 00:18:59,840 --> 00:18:58,080 difference in terms of their success we 348 00:19:02,330 --> 00:18:59,850 got about equal numbers of hits with the 349 00:19:06,330 --> 00:19:02,340 longer trials versus the shorter trials 350 00:19:11,060 --> 00:19:06,340 the same goes with feedback really 351 00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:11,070 didn't seem to make much difference so 352 00:19:17,729 --> 00:19:14,320 but from talking with our participants 353 00:19:21,299 --> 00:19:17,739 it was clear shorter trial lengths were 354 00:19:23,099 --> 00:19:21,309 preferred and feedback made the whole 355 00:19:27,049 --> 00:19:23,109 experiment much more interesting for 356 00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:27,059 participants we basically had three 357 00:19:32,690 --> 00:19:29,830 participants who were running the bulk 358 00:19:36,810 --> 00:19:32,700 of this experiment 54 of the runs with 359 00:19:42,779 --> 00:19:36,820 four of the hits but we had several 360 00:19:47,129 --> 00:19:42,789 other participants scoring hits and one 361 00:19:50,539 --> 00:19:47,139 of those before I get to that I have to 362 00:19:53,519 --> 00:19:50,549 mention that we ran 25 control rounds 363 00:19:56,669 --> 00:19:53,529 was basically running the protocol 364 00:20:01,200 --> 00:19:56,679 without anybody in the room with no 365 00:20:04,169 --> 00:20:01,210 significant outcomes this is all 366 00:20:06,479 --> 00:20:04,179 actually rather surprising to me to see 367 00:20:10,259 --> 00:20:06,489 this in action we tried controlling for 368 00:20:13,139 --> 00:20:10,269 experimenter effect by clearing out the 369 00:20:15,869 --> 00:20:13,149 control area of all personnel during 370 00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:15,879 experimental run moving everybody to an 371 00:20:21,269 --> 00:20:18,480 outer room where we had a video monitor 372 00:20:22,859 --> 00:20:21,279 showing a live feed of the participant 373 00:20:25,649 --> 00:20:22,869 in the experiment this was done for 374 00:20:28,109 --> 00:20:25,659 safety reasons and also an indication of 375 00:20:34,970 --> 00:20:28,119 the trial number so we would know when 376 00:20:39,509 --> 00:20:34,980 the experiment was finished so I went to 377 00:20:43,099 --> 00:20:39,519 now go to part two of this and show you 378 00:20:45,989 --> 00:20:43,109 some of the EEG results that we found 379 00:20:52,159 --> 00:20:45,999 we're still just really getting into the 380 00:20:55,879 --> 00:20:52,169 EEG study of the of this pilot study but 381 00:21:00,239 --> 00:20:55,889 one of the first ones we looked at was a 382 00:21:03,499 --> 00:21:00,249 pretty good hit you get P of point zero 383 00:21:07,139 --> 00:21:03,509 zero seven and we happen to get a full 384 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:07,149 128 channel EEG this was done on a 385 00:21:11,419 --> 00:21:09,970 person who was probably closest to a 386 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:11,429 professional peak 387 00:21:20,250 --> 00:21:15,010 in existence it's a joke Ellenberger who 388 00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:20,260 is runs PK courses at the Monroe 389 00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:23,679 Institute teaching people manifestation 390 00:21:31,530 --> 00:21:27,960 in pk he also runs groups to Las Vegas 391 00:21:37,289 --> 00:21:31,540 where they get to test their PK in 392 00:21:41,250 --> 00:21:37,299 action in the casinos and Joe Joe was 393 00:21:45,150 --> 00:21:41,260 like a great EEG subject he knows how to 394 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:45,160 to sit very quietly while he's doing 395 00:21:52,770 --> 00:21:48,210 this PK effort and I should mention that 396 00:21:55,169 --> 00:21:52,780 EEG is quite a difficult thing to do on 397 00:21:58,409 --> 00:21:55,179 people who are engaged in any kind of 398 00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,419 activity that might involve movement any 399 00:22:02,610 --> 00:21:59,919 kind of movement artifact will 400 00:22:05,159 --> 00:22:02,620 completely disrupt an EEG such as 401 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:05,169 swallowing talking moving your head 402 00:22:10,650 --> 00:22:07,809 blinking your eyes having a little 403 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:10,660 muscle tension from grimacing and 404 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:13,690 whatnot which makes it very difficult to 405 00:22:19,380 --> 00:22:16,210 run these types of experiments and I 406 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:19,390 would say that Joe was a model subject 407 00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:21,130 which which any man you're going to see 408 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:32,190 so actually before I get to this part 409 00:22:37,860 --> 00:22:34,570 the first thing we did was looking at as 410 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:37,870 raw EEG and we found that you know there 411 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:39,370 were maybe three or four bad channels 412 00:22:45,659 --> 00:22:43,570 and threw those out we saw no gross 413 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:45,669 movement artifact we saw a little bit of 414 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:48,850 eye movement artifact we easily got rid 415 00:22:53,940 --> 00:22:50,410 of that just using a three Hertz 416 00:22:55,890 --> 00:22:53,950 high-pass filter and we saw a tiny bit 417 00:22:59,659 --> 00:22:55,900 of muscle tension on some of the 418 00:23:02,100 --> 00:22:59,669 temporal electrodes and the PK trials 419 00:23:05,250 --> 00:23:02,110 didn't seem to be significant look like 420 00:23:07,650 --> 00:23:05,260 just a few electrodes we had the first 421 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:07,660 analysis we ran a thing called global 422 00:23:12,690 --> 00:23:10,330 which takes all the the high density 423 00:23:16,370 --> 00:23:12,700 array and collapses it down to just 424 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:16,380 three measures amplitude frequency and 425 00:23:20,140 --> 00:23:19,510 complexity what we found was that there 426 00:23:24,420 --> 00:23:20,150 was a 427 00:23:27,910 --> 00:23:24,430 new vegan difference between PK and rest 428 00:23:30,550 --> 00:23:27,920 for the amplitude and frequency measures 429 00:23:32,650 --> 00:23:30,560 would not the complexity measure and 430 00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:32,660 those amplitude and frequency measures 431 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:37,310 were both higher and the peak a mode so 432 00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:39,170 the next step in the analysis was to 433 00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:44,110 take a look at averaged power spectrum 434 00:23:51,810 --> 00:23:47,600 which is what this is we averaged all 435 00:23:54,190 --> 00:23:51,820 the PK trials and the frequency domain 436 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:54,200 averaged all the rest trials in the 437 00:24:01,300 --> 00:23:56,210 frequency Doom and subtracted the rest 438 00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:01,310 from the PK and came up with this result 439 00:24:10,510 --> 00:24:06,320 I should explain what this graph this is 440 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:10,520 starting off in the left frontal area 441 00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:14,050 moving around the left side of the head 442 00:24:20,410 --> 00:24:16,910 here we get to about the left occipital 443 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:20,420 and then into the right occipital right 444 00:24:29,470 --> 00:24:25,730 temporal and to right frontal this 445 00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:29,480 frequency right here is 10 Hertz so at 446 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:31,310 first blush what you're seeing is what 447 00:24:38,940 --> 00:24:33,770 looks like some activation going on in 448 00:24:42,190 --> 00:24:38,950 this peak a mode and an alpha in this 449 00:24:45,870 --> 00:24:42,200 left frontal area and in the occipital 450 00:24:49,930 --> 00:24:45,880 area and then a somewhat bizarre 451 00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:49,940 asymmetrical theta active oh it's right 452 00:24:57,490 --> 00:24:53,510 on the Alpha Theta border here on the 453 00:24:58,990 --> 00:24:57,500 right side now the question is at this 454 00:25:01,290 --> 00:24:59,000 point is any of this statistically 455 00:25:05,620 --> 00:25:01,300 significant I'll get to that in a minute 456 00:25:09,390 --> 00:25:05,630 what we also see is this stuff right 457 00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:09,400 here and these are temporal electrons 458 00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:14,960 now this is about 28 Hertz so the 459 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:18,310 question at this point is is this neural 460 00:25:24,670 --> 00:25:21,610 origin or is this muscle artifact and 461 00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:24,680 it's actually a bit of a conundrum for 462 00:25:30,250 --> 00:25:27,200 EEG studies when you get up into the 463 00:25:32,590 --> 00:25:30,260 high frequency ranges is how much of 464 00:25:33,030 --> 00:25:32,600 what you're looking at is neuro on how 465 00:25:38,730 --> 00:25:33,040 much is 466 00:25:40,650 --> 00:25:38,740 muscle muscle tension on the scalp the 467 00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:40,660 smoking gun in this is that it's on the 468 00:25:47,550 --> 00:25:44,320 temporal electrodes so one would suspect 469 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:47,560 that maybe this is a muscle muscular 470 00:25:54,030 --> 00:25:52,330 origin so one strategy for dealing with 471 00:25:58,680 --> 00:25:54,040 this is to just get rid of these 472 00:26:01,680 --> 00:25:58,690 electrodes from the analysis okay so 473 00:26:03,690 --> 00:26:01,690 that's what I did and I went on to look 474 00:26:09,390 --> 00:26:03,700 at a statistical analysis of the 475 00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:09,400 electrodes comparing piqué to rest so 476 00:26:19,170 --> 00:26:13,840 here and I started off by doing this in 477 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:19,180 bands so the theta band is defined as in 478 00:26:26,910 --> 00:26:22,530 this case is four to eight Hertz 479 00:26:29,910 --> 00:26:26,920 what we found in 48 Hertz was these red 480 00:26:33,930 --> 00:26:29,920 dots mark codes that were significantly 481 00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:33,940 different between pique and rest this 482 00:26:40,830 --> 00:26:35,710 green stuff is just markers for the 483 00:26:44,220 --> 00:26:40,840 montage so in the statistical sense 484 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:44,230 there's really not much happening for Jo 485 00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:47,530 and the theta band and that weird kind 486 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:49,600 of asymmetry that showed up in the 487 00:26:58,650 --> 00:26:54,450 spectral plot was really not significant 488 00:27:01,080 --> 00:26:58,660 moving on to the Alpha band this sort of 489 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:01,090 looks a little bit more like what we saw 490 00:27:07,950 --> 00:27:06,010 in the spectral plot there's a alpha 491 00:27:15,180 --> 00:27:07,960 frequency activation going on on that 492 00:27:18,210 --> 00:27:15,190 left side occipital area moving up to 493 00:27:20,010 --> 00:27:18,220 the beta band now things are starting to 494 00:27:23,010 --> 00:27:20,020 spread out you see some in the frontal 495 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:23,020 areas and more occipital stuff in this 496 00:27:32,670 --> 00:27:26,890 group this beta band is to find this 12 497 00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:32,680 to 20 Hertz so again the question arises 498 00:27:42,510 --> 00:27:36,310 here how much of this is muscle how much 499 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:42,520 of it this is actual brain activity one 500 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:43,570 hint of this is 501 00:27:52,590 --> 00:27:50,170 the amplitude weighted average frequency 502 00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,600 in this band for these activations was 503 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:54,960 about 15 Hertz 504 00:28:01,860 --> 00:27:57,610 now I had taken out the temporal 505 00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:01,870 electrodes for this analysis we're not 506 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:03,520 seeing anything else showing up although 507 00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:05,370 we do see stuff up here 508 00:28:13,470 --> 00:28:09,310 where we do see some stuff here so so is 509 00:28:15,210 --> 00:28:13,480 it muscle or is it zip ring and the way 510 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:15,220 folks I've been dealing with some of 511 00:28:24,450 --> 00:28:19,650 this is to use ICA to filter out 512 00:28:28,350 --> 00:28:24,460 frequency components from EEG we haven't 513 00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:28,360 done that analysis yet but and the 514 00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:36,930 results were inconclusive basically they 515 00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:38,860 were able to say oh yeah we see muscle 516 00:28:47,070 --> 00:28:41,740 here but they weren't able to actually 517 00:28:50,190 --> 00:28:47,080 take it out of an EEG filtrate moving up 518 00:28:53,340 --> 00:28:50,200 to high beta which was defined as 20 to 519 00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:53,350 35 Hertz now we're seeing even more of 520 00:29:00,600 --> 00:28:58,810 this stuff so again it's muscle leaking 521 00:29:05,490 --> 00:29:00,610 into other electrodes and you just can't 522 00:29:08,250 --> 00:29:05,500 see it in the gross charts I don't know 523 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:08,260 and finally of great interest is the 524 00:29:17,370 --> 00:29:11,890 gamma band which is in our case to find 525 00:29:18,750 --> 00:29:17,380 us 25 that excuse me 35 to 45 Hertz and 526 00:29:21,260 --> 00:29:18,760 we're getting somewhat of a similar 527 00:29:25,310 --> 00:29:21,270 distribution of significant electrodes 528 00:29:28,170 --> 00:29:25,320 once again and in this case is amplitude 529 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:28,180 weighted average frequency was right 530 00:29:34,910 --> 00:29:32,890 around 39 or 40 Hertz very narrowly 531 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:34,920 distributed right around that frequency 532 00:29:40,730 --> 00:29:37,810 now this is a great interest to us 533 00:29:46,550 --> 00:29:40,740 because there have been other studies 534 00:29:51,060 --> 00:29:46,560 the first one was in 1958 das and Gaston 535 00:29:53,299 --> 00:29:51,070 who went to a hotel and Nepal and 536 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:53,309 recorded EEG s from 537 00:29:59,539 --> 00:29:56,210 meditators and found that they were 538 00:30:01,700 --> 00:29:59,549 producing high-frequency gamma and these 539 00:30:04,369 --> 00:30:01,710 guys were very careful at a lot of 540 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:04,379 reasons that they put forth as to why 541 00:30:12,289 --> 00:30:06,330 what they were looking at was not muscle 542 00:30:14,419 --> 00:30:12,299 that it truly was brain origin and we 543 00:30:16,999 --> 00:30:14,429 would be quite interested to find that a 544 00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:17,009 person who who was successful at a peak 545 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:19,769 a task was at the same time producing 546 00:30:28,659 --> 00:30:23,370 gamma that would be a great interest to 547 00:30:33,529 --> 00:30:28,669 us there's another study the pasta 548 00:30:35,539 --> 00:30:33,539 meditators producing occipital gamma and 549 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:35,549 that one they did have to rest a little 550 00:30:40,999 --> 00:30:38,730 bit with the muscle issue I know from 551 00:30:45,499 --> 00:30:41,009 personal experience I used to work on a 552 00:30:51,070 --> 00:30:45,509 project where we were doing combined EEG 553 00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:51,080 and fMRI imaging and one of our trips 554 00:30:59,239 --> 00:30:56,129 demoing our system we were talking with 555 00:31:02,539 --> 00:30:59,249 the researchers who mentioned they have 556 00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:02,549 been running EEG studies on Tibetan 557 00:31:09,980 --> 00:31:06,769 meditators and these guys were producing 558 00:31:13,789 --> 00:31:09,990 what sounded early fantastic to me it 559 00:31:17,899 --> 00:31:13,799 was quite high frequency stuff around 70 560 00:31:20,590 --> 00:31:17,909 Hertz extremely high amplitude maybe a a 561 00:31:24,139 --> 00:31:20,600 couple hundred micro volts and 562 00:31:27,169 --> 00:31:24,149 distributed only in one particular area 563 00:31:31,220 --> 00:31:27,179 of the head they didn't think it was 564 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:31,230 muscle but they weren't sure so they 565 00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:33,570 were going to do they wanted to do 566 00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:37,200 combined EEG and fMRI scanning to get to 567 00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:38,100 the bottom of it 568 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:40,289 I think we're faced with the same 569 00:31:46,999 --> 00:31:42,690 situation here 570 00:31:50,299 --> 00:31:47,009 one of our best subjects had just a 571 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:50,309 little bit of muscle tension we're 572 00:31:55,879 --> 00:31:51,690 getting something that looks like maybe 573 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:55,889 he has gamma activation occipital e with 574 00:31:59,960 --> 00:31:57,450 a little bit of stuff on the top of the 575 00:32:01,800 --> 00:31:59,970 head similar to what was seen in the VIP 576 00:32:05,650 --> 00:32:01,810 aasana meditate 577 00:32:10,690 --> 00:32:05,660 but we don't know is that stuff muscle 578 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:10,700 or is it EEG now we do have a capability 579 00:32:18,490 --> 00:32:15,530 to do combined imaging we could put a 580 00:32:23,530 --> 00:32:18,500 person in an MRI scanner and run 64 581 00:32:32,460 --> 00:32:23,540 channels of EEG however you think about 582 00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:35,350 it's not first of all it's not a very 583 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:38,480 friendly environment for a PK agent to 584 00:32:44,170 --> 00:32:41,450 work in but secondly I have to admit if 585 00:32:47,860 --> 00:32:44,180 I were the PK agent and I was trying to 586 00:32:49,210 --> 00:32:47,870 do PK and I was in an MRI scanner you 587 00:32:52,330 --> 00:32:49,220 know I would be a little bit worried 588 00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:52,340 about maybe some of that PK getting 589 00:33:01,200 --> 00:32:55,110 loose and doing something to the scanner 590 00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:07,720 so anyway that's about where it stands 591 00:33:13,270 --> 00:33:10,720 today I think one of the most 592 00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:13,280 interesting things that has fallen out 593 00:33:22,330 --> 00:33:17,360 of this pilot study for us is what we're 594 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:22,340 up against in terms of our participants 595 00:33:27,090 --> 00:33:24,530 our participants and what they're doing 596 00:33:29,530 --> 00:33:27,100 well we've got them wired up to eg 597 00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:29,540 several of the other yuji's I've just 598 00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:31,720 started to look at from our pilot study 599 00:33:38,130 --> 00:33:35,510 we're nowhere near as good as Joe's I 600 00:33:40,420 --> 00:33:38,140 mean folks are in there and they're just 601 00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,430 you know they're doing all kinds of 602 00:33:44,830 --> 00:33:42,320 stuff they're moving their hands they're 603 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:44,840 grimacing they're doing anything they 604 00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:47,930 can to get that P case to get that tone 605 00:33:53,260 --> 00:33:49,910 to bounce up alarm at the end of the 606 00:33:56,350 --> 00:33:53,270 trial when that happens we have to throw 607 00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:56,360 data up you know if there's gross 608 00:34:01,690 --> 00:33:58,850 artifact we have to throw it out and I 609 00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:01,700 have to admit as the experimenter who's 610 00:34:08,530 --> 00:34:03,830 gone to great effort to get that data 611 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:08,540 I don't want to throw it out but but 612 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:12,050 we're faced with that dilemma so moving 613 00:34:17,620 --> 00:34:14,450 forward in the study as we go into more 614 00:34:21,250 --> 00:34:17,630 formal studies one of the first things 615 00:34:23,230 --> 00:34:21,260 we're doing is we're sort of upping the 616 00:34:23,830 --> 00:34:23,240 ante in terms of how you get into the 617 00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:23,840 study 618 00:34:33,730 --> 00:34:29,929 were enrolled based on simply their 619 00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:33,740 interests in pique so some of them had 620 00:34:38,580 --> 00:34:36,350 experiences others had some we're 621 00:34:42,490 --> 00:34:38,590 professionals like Joe others were just 622 00:34:44,650 --> 00:34:42,500 I'm interested in it going forward we're 623 00:34:46,870 --> 00:34:44,660 only going to enroll people in the 624 00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:46,880 formal part of the study if they've 625 00:34:53,980 --> 00:34:50,560 actually produced say hits and a 626 00:34:58,090 --> 00:34:53,990 screening trial that we've run or if 627 00:35:00,250 --> 00:34:58,100 they can effect hits on the system 628 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:00,260 remotely I didn't mention but we've been 629 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:02,570 running remote trials with the system as 630 00:35:09,130 --> 00:35:05,570 well we've got set up on skype so a 631 00:35:12,580 --> 00:35:09,140 person can see a real-time display of 632 00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:12,590 the raw signals and they get to hear the 633 00:35:19,690 --> 00:35:16,160 feedback as well and we've actually had 634 00:35:25,330 --> 00:35:19,700 people get significant hits with the 635 00:35:27,150 --> 00:35:25,340 system from 2rm 50 miles away which yes 636 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:27,160 I mean it kind of blew my mind to but 637 00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:32,570 there it is so again the plea if you 638 00:35:38,050 --> 00:35:35,870 know of anybody that's routinely bending 639 00:35:40,690 --> 00:35:38,060 spoons and wants to engage in scientific 640 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:40,700 study if the table slab in 641 00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:43,250 Charlottesville please direct them our 642 00:35:56,570 --> 00:35:47,720 way and I think I'll I got three minutes 643 00:36:04,050 --> 00:36:00,690 okay there's a phenomenon called torsion 644 00:36:06,330 --> 00:36:04,060 energies and guys like plot Swanson 645 00:36:08,970 --> 00:36:06,340 thinks that that's subtle energy torsion 646 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:08,980 chi are all the same thing and there are 647 00:36:14,370 --> 00:36:12,250 things such as torsion generators might 648 00:36:16,290 --> 00:36:14,380 be interesting to see what happens 649 00:36:18,210 --> 00:36:16,300 it's Agard - you're set up with 650 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:18,220 something of that nature so I just 651 00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:19,450 thought it was interesting because 652 00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,710 there's maybe some similarities and I 653 00:36:27,330 --> 00:36:24,880 know Allison knows some people who've 654 00:36:29,610 --> 00:36:27,340 been spoons no it's it's interesting 655 00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:29,620 that you bring that up because I have 656 00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:32,320 read Claude's book about torsionally I 657 00:36:37,410 --> 00:36:34,870 did find it very interesting and I 658 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:37,420 actually visited Claude a couple of 659 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:40,570 years ago with that black box and he set 660 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:42,370 up with one of his torsion generators 661 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:45,730 and we ran a series of control trials 662 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:47,530 and and we actually did come up with 663 00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:51,490 more events showing up when that torsion 664 00:36:59,490 --> 00:36:56,320 generator was I was a big wheel that was 665 00:37:01,920 --> 00:36:59,500 spinning at high speed the thing that 666 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:01,930 confused me about it was I couldn't tell 667 00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:03,490 since Claude and I were both sitting 668 00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:05,950 there and we knew the conditions of the 669 00:37:10,650 --> 00:37:08,350 trial we weren't blind whether it was 670 00:37:11,850 --> 00:37:10,660 just her inadvertent experiment or 671 00:37:17,010 --> 00:37:11,860 effect or whether it was actually a 672 00:37:19,020 --> 00:37:17,020 torsion generator when you describe the 673 00:37:23,340 --> 00:37:19,030 initial development of your circuit and 674 00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:23,350 I explained how you were seeing what you 675 00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:28,240 had taken to be a rant random errors of 676 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:30,040 some sort until you notice that they 677 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:31,210 seemed to be happening more frequently 678 00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:34,810 during intentional or healing efforts 679 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:37,390 I had to restrain myself from getting up 680 00:37:43,050 --> 00:37:42,010 and dancing because back in 2008 at the 681 00:37:45,450 --> 00:37:43,060 track 682 00:37:48,090 --> 00:37:45,460 parrot a conference on the future of 683 00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:48,100 parapsychology one of the things I 684 00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:50,700 pointed out in my presentation is that 685 00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:53,940 off-the-shelf electronic components are 686 00:37:59,880 --> 00:37:56,400 automatically going to be inadvertently 687 00:38:02,580 --> 00:37:59,890 SCI hardened because electrical 688 00:38:05,580 --> 00:38:02,590 engineers don't track their thoughts and 689 00:38:08,850 --> 00:38:05,590 emotions and if something is responding 690 00:38:11,940 --> 00:38:08,860 to mental effects under development that 691 00:38:13,470 --> 00:38:11,950 will be classed as intermittent faults 692 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:13,480 and they'll do the their best to 693 00:38:18,210 --> 00:38:15,610 engineer them out and if they can't get 694 00:38:20,910 --> 00:38:18,220 rid of them they won't market it so I'd 695 00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:20,920 like to express my gratitude that you 696 00:38:26,970 --> 00:38:24,790 were an incompetent skillful electrical 697 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:26,980 engineer who also knew about SCI 698 00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:29,050 phenomena and was actively working for 699 00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:49,680 [Applause] 700 00:38:54,030 --> 00:38:52,230 a colleague of mine Bogg neurology from 701 00:38:56,610 --> 00:38:54,040 the IEC has recently done some pilot 702 00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:56,620 work in fMRI producing a bio energetic 703 00:39:00,270 --> 00:38:58,960 field mobilizing bio energies or chi or 704 00:39:02,490 --> 00:39:00,280 prana wherever you want to call it and 705 00:39:06,030 --> 00:39:02,500 trying to look for the neural correlates 706 00:39:09,060 --> 00:39:06,040 of this and what they found was a lot of 707 00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,070 activation outside of the brain which 708 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:11,200 was suggestive of not brain activity of 709 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:13,690 course but perhaps bioenergetic you 710 00:39:17,550 --> 00:39:15,850 could say noise in this case they then 711 00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:17,560 went in this scanner with a phantom 712 00:39:20,460 --> 00:39:18,670 which i'm sure you're familiar with and 713 00:39:21,930 --> 00:39:20,470 he exteriorized threw his hands into the 714 00:39:24,210 --> 00:39:21,940 phantom and did like you know block 715 00:39:26,610 --> 00:39:24,220 design exteriorization no exterior is a 716 00:39:30,270 --> 00:39:26,620 ssin and they saw huge huge effects of 717 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:30,280 this so my thought on this is that 718 00:39:34,290 --> 00:39:32,410 perhaps there's a third alternative not 719 00:39:38,010 --> 00:39:34,300 muscle noise not necessarily neuronal 720 00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:38,020 activity but a bio energetic artifact of 721 00:39:44,730 --> 00:39:39,700 the field that's being produced that 722 00:39:47,340 --> 00:39:44,740 might be conducive for the PK so I 723 00:39:49,620 --> 00:39:47,350 wonder if I don't know if we don't have 724 00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:49,630 a great apparatus to directly measure 725 00:39:55,380 --> 00:39:53,110 bioenergy unfortunately but I think that 726 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:55,390 that could also be the link between some 727 00:39:57,630 --> 00:39:56,530 these meditators that are 728 00:40:01,020 --> 00:39:57,640 these kind of high-frequency 729 00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,030 bioenergetic fields are coherent self 730 00:40:05,550 --> 00:40:03,520 coherent fields that are being read as 731 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:05,560 as neural activity I just saw John 732 00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:07,570 cruising you're saying going yes we do 733 00:40:13,530 --> 00:40:09,040 he's about to give a talk of it alright 734 00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:13,540 cool thank you thank you hi I was 735 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:16,030 wondering if you had spoken with I think 736 00:40:23,490 --> 00:40:19,170 it's name is John your advanced PK agent 737 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:23,500 or Joe not true Joe I was did you speak 738 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:26,530 with him about how he goes about doing 739 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:28,570 his PA activity and how it differs from 740 00:40:34,140 --> 00:40:31,170 the other subjects that you worked with 741 00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:34,150 yeah in fact that's a huge subject and 742 00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:36,430 and Joe goes into that and depth in his 743 00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:39,250 courses and I think it just in a 744 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:41,230 nutshell he's talking about opening the 745 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:47,890 heart chakra when he does it one other 746 00:40:54,570 --> 00:40:50,770 quick thing about Joe just a quick aside 747 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:54,580 I have seen him also sure that he and 748 00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:56,970 this goes to the point you were making 749 00:41:04,890 --> 00:40:59,920 he seems to be able to generate very 750 00:41:07,020 --> 00:41:04,900 high voltage voltages on his body now he 751 00:41:09,660 --> 00:41:07,030 does he shows that demonstrates it by 752 00:41:12,030 --> 00:41:09,670 taking a round fluorescent tube and 753 00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:12,040 he'll hold it and flick it and you'll 754 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:14,110 see the thing light up what person could 755 00:41:19,230 --> 00:41:17,410 say oh that's just static charge but he 756 00:41:21,810 --> 00:41:19,240 showed this to me in a very damp 757 00:41:25,350 --> 00:41:21,820 basement on a very hot damp night there 758 00:41:27,570 --> 00:41:25,360 was no static and he also says that he 759 00:41:31,530 --> 00:41:27,580 can do in a shower with water running on 760 00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:31,540 him and there was a study done at the 761 00:41:36,990 --> 00:41:35,110 Menninger Institute with meditators and 762 00:41:40,290 --> 00:41:37,000 healers they had set up a special 763 00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,300 facility with a very insulated chair and 764 00:41:44,220 --> 00:41:42,640 electric field detectors around people 765 00:41:46,650 --> 00:41:44,230 and they were measuring what they 766 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:46,660 thought was pushing about 80 volts or so 767 00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:48,970 on some people so it's you know it's 768 00:41:52,140 --> 00:41:50,830 possible Joe's generating a high voltage 769 00:41:54,570 --> 00:41:52,150 feel and that's part of the reason we 770 00:41:57,210 --> 00:41:54,580 set these electric field monitors and 771 00:42:01,130 --> 00:41:57,220 whatnot and we're trying to pursue that 772 00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,200 yeah I hate to be the skeptic in the 773 00:42:08,329 --> 00:42:06,000 group but uh I'm a member of the 774 00:42:10,279 --> 00:42:08,339 International remote viewing Association 775 00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:10,289 and I have been to all of their meetings 776 00:42:15,620 --> 00:42:13,200 since 2001 with the exception of two and 777 00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:15,630 the first one or two I believe had Jack 778 00:42:21,380 --> 00:42:18,329 Hawke and his spoon bending parties I 779 00:42:23,420 --> 00:42:21,390 was it both of those and then after he 780 00:42:26,450 --> 00:42:23,430 no longer was healthy enough to do that 781 00:42:30,349 --> 00:42:26,460 Lynn Buchanan's all those years I have 782 00:42:32,509 --> 00:42:30,359 never yet witnessed a spoon bending that 783 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:32,519 I thought was done without just physical 784 00:42:36,769 --> 00:42:34,650 force and I've walked around with my 785 00:42:38,660 --> 00:42:36,779 camera I've looked very carefully I 786 00:42:40,339 --> 00:42:38,670 don't know if I'm just moving in a 787 00:42:42,769 --> 00:42:40,349 different reality than everybody else 788 00:42:45,049 --> 00:42:42,779 you know there are piles of bent spoons 789 00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:45,059 and forks you know in the middle of the 790 00:42:50,210 --> 00:42:48,329 floor but I have yet to witness one now 791 00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:50,220 I know Russell Targ and I think Dean 792 00:42:56,180 --> 00:42:52,670 Radin both have claimed that they had 793 00:42:59,660 --> 00:42:56,190 spoons bent when they were not thinking 794 00:43:01,970 --> 00:42:59,670 hard about it and others but I'd love to 795 00:43:03,980 --> 00:43:01,980 witness one see that that's the 796 00:43:06,170 --> 00:43:03,990 interesting thing about my experience I 797 00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:06,180 would probably be in the same camp as 798 00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:07,710 you except for that little lady with the 799 00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:10,950 steel rod but I actually felt that darn 800 00:43:16,759 --> 00:43:13,920 thing turned into taffy you know I don't 801 00:43:18,380 --> 00:43:16,769 think for a minute I was the PK agent 802 00:43:19,940 --> 00:43:18,390 there's two other people sitting there 803 00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:19,950 chanting along with me 804 00:43:25,279 --> 00:43:22,529 I felt that thing turned into taffy just 805 00:43:27,620 --> 00:43:25,289 briefly and it just almost fell into 806 00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:27,630 place to complete spiral twists on it 807 00:43:33,319 --> 00:43:31,380 and then it got stiff again believer I 808 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:33,329 think that would make me a believer as 809 00:43:42,740 --> 00:43:40,410 well but it must be a very rare incident 810 00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:42,750 it seems to me that's one of the 811 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:47,609 problems with this kind of rares a party 812 00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:49,650 with a bunch of secretaries are we done 813 00:43:54,140 --> 00:43:52,049 anyway she said sorry she was the only 814 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:54,150 one that couldn't bend the spoon so